Jungle Republic - Game Over

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Mike Chang wrote:Oh Nu! Someone voted me D1 and im going to die ! oh wait, rands at d1 never lynch and they dont catch scum,

So nah

Mike Chang                                                                                                                       Oh yea, Please vote me!
I dont see how you guys missed the detail that mafia CANT KILL , so if we get WW we can get them, this sounds like a mafia trying to put attention that is on him onto WW's that we have no lead on yet.

Anyway If you guys want to try to get me then feel free, your loss will be more than me, Does it hurt to be full of activity? It's the quality of posts that counts, not the quantity.


Oh yea and Finn, I am not tagging along with you, I am stating FACTS ABOUT THE SHOW  

and oh yea vote Kurt Hummel




I find the fact that just after i posted about hunting WW I got arround 4 votes, 3 of them in quick sucession, Is mafia trying sheep effect? cus it wont work on me,
Also remeber that we all here are FORUM MAFIA Xperts

Couldn't have said it better myself! Since we are all experts even if we were Mafia (Which I don't know about Kurt or Blaine but I'm not) then we wouldn't make  such an obvious mistake. Doing something like that is basicly suicide. So again it looks like you are trying to push the blame on us, which is exactly what I was looking for.



(even though I dont know who you are really but judging the full players list) so its not like if i said about hunting ww means im mafia , its just that the mafia is going to try to get away with it,


If you got anything other than that, I find that I am the only one that didnt post 2 liners and voted in day one without a reason, My vote is more like aimed at a person of the 3 persons that just agreed with each others suddenly on voting me which screems (scum scum scum)

Sunshine Corazon wrote:Finn is pretty scummy. His flip from cautiousness to "lol chang is super obvious mafia" Not exactly how I really was intending to say it, but you have to admit that he is making bad posts and providing no justification or defense to himself. As far as I've seen he really is looking scummier every post he makes!

Mike Chang wrote:Just hearing you guys makes me wander who you really are :>

Honestly I think Finn is kinda over reacting, also saying hunting ww wihtout adding mafia would not really be by any chance something scummy to say for 2 reasons, the scum cant kill and the mafia really wouldnt take such a risk The entire point behind me digging into that post is that a mafia (who I realistically think you are) would 1) possibly forget to include his own team and 2) try to make the WW's look like the bigger threat, to make himself look like a lesser threat.

Mike Chang wrote:Wait, just because Sebastian said that the voteon me is not really needed he gets voted,, that logic..

I am Confused now, I am also sure there are some scum bh those votes, As The village been going mad, and we will not win if we go mad without actual scum hunting so as you can see you are currently being hunted, you want us to hunt yet you complain when you are being hunted. That is excellent logic.

Marley Rose wrote:Also bringing up the importance of seer, in hopes that we take the clue. It seems like an off play, truly. Though from his current play (which is scatterbrained and messy) it'll be difficult to expect and take his word to it. 

Pulling off his "plan that's so crazy that it might just work" card really pits me in a dilemma on whether or not to have him lynched out.

Finn Hudson wrote:

Mike Chang wrote:Oh Nu! Someone voted me D1 and im going to die ! oh wait, rands at d1 never lynch and they dont catch scum,

So nah

So at first he starts off with a really bad defense Lol I wasnt even defending, everyone was randing a vote and i was like Yay !  to the first vote against him. This isn't even completely true in the first place. This is where I want to put pressure on him and get more information to see if he is just a village idiot or perhaps scum. You know nothing my dear student

Mike Chang                                                                                                                       Oh yea, Please vote me!
I dont see how you guys missed the detail that mafia CANT KILL , so if we get WW we can get them, this sounds like a mafia trying to put attention that is on him onto WW's that we have no lead on yet. Again you missed the point <3 

Anyway If you guys want to try to get me then feel free, your loss will be more than me, Does it hurt to be full of activity? It's the quality of posts that counts, not the quantity.If you got nothing to work on then create some, I have made 3 more scum reads just by acting scummy


Oh yea and Finn, I am not tagging along with you, I am stating FACTS ABOUT THE SHOW  

and oh yea vote Kurt Hummel




I find the fact that just after i posted about hunting WW I got arround 4 votes, 3 of them in quick sucession, Is mafia trying sheep effect? cus it wont work on me,
Also remeber that we all here are FORUM MAFIA Xperts

Couldn't have said it better myself! Since we are all experts even if we were Mafia (Which I don't know about Kurt or Blaine but I'm not) then we wouldn't make  such an obvious mistake.Isn't the same told to me? If i make it that clear ill be suiciding, If I was mafia I would prob stay silent and just answer with something without any dangers like Vote XXX for abc imaginary reasons Doing something like that is basicly suicide. So again it looks like you are trying to push the blame on us,Your posts are not that exeptionally weird but you provide no real logic behind you  accusing which is exactly what I was looking for. I got some nice things too



(even though I dont know who you are really but judging the full players list) so its not like if i said about hunting ww means im mafia , its just that the mafia is going to try to get away with it,


If you got anything other than that, I find that I am the only one that didnt post 2 liners and voted in day one without a reason, My vote is more like aimed at a person of the 3 persons that just agreed with each others suddenly on voting me which screems (scum scum scum)

That's what I dug from that post

Sunshine Corazon wrote:Finn is pretty scummy. His flip from cautiousness to "lol chang is super obvious mafia" Not exactly how I really was intending to say it, but you have to admit that he is making bad posts and providing no justification or defense to himself. As far as I've seen he really is looking scummier every post he makes!  Yet you remeber not very long ago a legend called Metal Sonic was sighted...  Also anther Legend called Marcello was there too. If you guys are here Props to you for giving my confusion of the year! Also there is waehofen. Dont you see something in this patern? well I am saying this now, If you end up waehofen or MS ill go hung my self on a tree because you would have double personallitys UNLESS you are mafia *Smiles*

Mike Chang wrote:Just hearing you guys makes me wander who you really are :>

Honestly I think Finn is kinda over reacting, also saying hunting ww wihtout adding mafia would not really be by any chance something scummy to say for 2 reasons, the scum cant kill and the mafia really wouldnt take such a risk I dont know about you but you ignored the danger on your supposed partner and didnt go threw it because well you cant, legit  The entire point behind me digging into that post is that a mafia (who I realistically think you are) would 1) possibly forget to include his own team and 2) try to make the WW's look like the bigger threat, to make himself look like a lesser threat.Not really, If i were a mafia i would just Lurk arround and playing passive while throwing a vote each now and then, if you see I am the most active Play on the whole Forum mafia tornament ATM. If i was mafia this is like asking to get lynch by getting alot of scum reads on me, but sadly i am town and being mafia would have been fun

Mike Chang wrote:Wait, just because Sebastian said that the voteon me is not really needed he gets voted,, that logic..

I am Confused now, I am also sure there are some scum bh those votes, As The village been going mad, and we will not win if we go mad without actual scum hunting so as you can see you are currently being hunted, you want us to hunt yet you complain when you are being hunted. That is excellent logic. Hunting one player that can end up as a villger will end up with a scum > villiger count , ww kills a villiger and BAM - 4 villgers - 3 mafia and 2 ww . If the seer was alive you could kil 1 ww and one villger die (best case) and you end up with 1 ww 3 mafia 3 villigers

now mafia > villiger and they win  !
lets see anther case
Hunting one player that was caught as a ww
6 player 3 mafia 1 ww
ww kills 2 before seen by the seer
4 players(1 over seer) and 3 mafia,
With seer you got a clean lead, and as people get cleaned the mafia gets more cornered, as of now i know at least 2 players who are clean, And i am sure of it

Marley Rose wrote:Also bringing up the importance of seer, in hopes that we take the clue. It seems like an off play, truly. Though from his current play (which is scatterbrained and messy) it'll be difficult to expect and take his word to it. 

Pulling off his "plan that's so crazy that it might just work" card really pits me in a dilemma on whether or not to have him lynched out.

I am almost certain that he is bluffing, I doubt he has a plan. You will be surprised my friend, I wander how fast i will die this game, i would prefare first night because of that at least i can get something out of it I think he just can't work well under pressure and is trying to save himself.Again seriosly whatever you was you will try to save your self, but I am not doing ti the bad way, I am actually Putting mroe info in the game than you guys, as You got slips on me I DID BY PURPOSE, I gained Slips on people like Braine That oh btw you didnt even look at his scummy post, you dont want to expose your team mate? and dont try to cover it up now its getting pretty clear now, also you change of vote was clearly due to agreement with your ally in the mafia, Braine confirmed it DIRECTLY and said "WE DID IT FOR FUN- WE WERE PLANING TO REMOVE IT LATER" this is the match i was looking for , so here you guys see me find the first scum of the game, Ah remeber If i die or get lynched to get this Braine  and possibly this guy, I dont mind really

Mike Chang wrote:

Finn Hudson wrote:

Mike Chang wrote:Oh Nu! Someone voted me D1 and im going to die ! oh wait, rands at d1 never lynch and they dont catch scum,

So nah

So at first he starts off with a really bad defense Lol I wasnt even defending, everyone was randing a vote and i was like Yay !  to the first vote against him. This isn't even completely true in the first place. This is where I want to put pressure on him and get more information to see if he is just a village idiot or perhaps scum. You know nothing my dear student

Mike Chang                                                                                                                       Oh yea, Please vote me!
I dont see how you guys missed the detail that mafia CANT KILL , so if we get WW we can get them, this sounds like a mafia trying to put attention that is on him onto WW's that we have no lead on yet. Again you missed the point <3 and your point is?

Anyway If you guys want to try to get me then feel free, your loss will be more than me, Does it hurt to be full of activity? It's the quality of posts that counts, not the quantity.If you got nothing to work on then create some, I have made 3 more scum reads just by acting scummy  So you admit to acting scummy. Why would it be bad to pursue a scummy player to gain more information?


Oh yea and Finn, I am not tagging along with you, I am stating FACTS ABOUT THE SHOW  

and oh yea vote Kurt Hummel




I find the fact that just after i posted about hunting WW I got arround 4 votes, 3 of them in quick sucession, Is mafia trying sheep effect? cus it wont work on me,
Also remeber that we all here are FORUM MAFIA Xperts

Couldn't have said it better myself! Since we are all experts even if we were Mafia (Which I don't know about Kurt or Blaine but I'm not) then we wouldn't make  such an obvious mistake.Isn't the same told to me? If i make it that clear ill be suiciding, If I was mafia I would prob stay silent and just answer with something without any dangers like Vote XXX for abc imaginary reasons Doing something like that is basicly suicide. So again it looks like you are trying to push the blame on us,Your posts are not that exeptionally weird but you provide no real logic behind you  accusing which is exactly what I was looking for. I got some nice things too Why don't you share this with the rest of us? It doesn't do you good to claim you know something but not tell everybody else.



(even though I dont know who you are really but judging the full players list) so its not like if i said about hunting ww means im mafia , its just that the mafia is going to try to get away with it,


If you got anything other than that, I find that I am the only one that didnt post 2 liners and voted in day one without a reason, My vote is more like aimed at a person of the 3 persons that just agreed with each others suddenly on voting me which screems (scum scum scum)

That's what I dug from that post

Sunshine Corazon wrote:Finn is pretty scummy. His flip from cautiousness to "lol chang is super obvious mafia" Not exactly how I really was intending to say it, but you have to admit that he is making bad posts and providing no justification or defense to himself. As far as I've seen he really is looking scummier every post he makes!  Yet you remeber not very long ago a legend called Metal Sonic was sighted...  Also anther Legend called Marcello was there too. If you guys are here Props to you for giving my confusion of the year! Also there is waehofen. Dont you see something in this patern? well I am saying this now, If you end up waehofen or MS ill go hung my self on a tree because you would have double personallitys UNLESS you are mafia *Smiles* Why does everybody care so much at who is who? The entire point of this is to see how we play with people we don't know.

Mike Chang wrote:Just hearing you guys makes me wander who you really are :>

Honestly I think Finn is kinda over reacting, also saying hunting ww wihtout adding mafia would not really be by any chance something scummy to say for 2 reasons, the scum cant kill and the mafia really wouldnt take such a risk I dont know about you but you ignored the danger on your supposed partner (Whether it is supposed or not, I have no partner except my fellow villagers/seer) and didnt go threw it because well you cant, legit  The entire point behind me digging into that post is that a mafia (who I realistically think you are) would 1) possibly forget to include his own team and 2) try to make the WW's look like the bigger threat, to make himself look like a lesser threat.Not really, If i were a mafia i would just Lurk arround and playing passive while throwing a vote each now and then, if you see I am the most active Play on the whole Forum mafia tornament ATM. If i was mafia this is like asking to get lynch by getting alot of scum reads on me, but sadly i am town and being mafia would have been fun

Mike Chang wrote:Wait, just because Sebastian said that the voteon me is not really needed he gets voted,, that logic..

I am Confused now, I am also sure there are some scum bh those votes, As The village been going mad, and we will not win if we go mad without actual scum hunting so as you can see you are currently being hunted, you want us to hunt yet you complain when you are being hunted. That is excellent logic. Hunting one player that can end up as a villger will end up with a scum > villiger count , ww kills a villiger and BAM - 4 villgers - 3 mafia and 2 ww . If the seer was alive you could kil 1 ww and one villger die (best case) and you end up with 1 ww 3 mafia 3 villigers (One problem with that logic, I don't think you are a villager or if you are then you admitted to being a bad one! "I have made 3 more scum reads just by acting scummy"

now mafia > villiger and they win  !
lets see anther case
Hunting one player that was caught as a ww
6 player 3 mafia 1 ww
ww kills 2 before seen by the seer
4 players(1 over seer) and 3 mafia,
With seer you got a clean lead, and as people get cleaned the mafia gets more cornered, as of now i know at least 2 players who are clean, And i am sure of it

Both of these scenarios require an extremely precise turn of events, including you being a villager which I seriously doubt.

Marley Rose wrote:Also bringing up the importance of seer, in hopes that we take the clue. It seems like an off play, truly. Though from his current play (which is scatterbrained and messy) it'll be difficult to expect and take his word to it. 

Pulling off his "plan that's so crazy that it might just work" card really pits me in a dilemma on whether or not to have him lynched out.

I am almost certain that he is bluffing, I doubt he has a plan. You will be surprised my friend, I wander how fast i will die this game, i would prefare first night because of that at least i can get something out of it I think he just can't work well under pressure and is trying to save himself.Again seriosly whatever you was you will try to save your self, but I am not doing ti the bad way, I am actually Putting mroe info in the game than you guys, as You got slips on me I DID BY PURPOSE, I gained Slips on people like Braine That oh btw you didnt even look at his scummy post, you dont want to expose your team mate? Blaine and Sebastian are both likely scum but I get the strongest scum read from you! and dont try to cover it up now its getting pretty clear now, What? also you change of vote was clearly due to agreement with your ally in the mafia, Braine confirmed it DIRECTLY and said "WE DID IT FOR FUN- WE WERE PLANING TO REMOVE IT LATER" (I have no idea what Blaine is talking about, or even who "we" is.) this is the match i was looking for , so here you guys see me find the first scum of the game, Ah remeber If i die or get lynched to get this Blaine  and possibly this guy, I dont mind really

Marley Rose wrote:I just read over this again and Mike Chang continues to dig in his hole deeper. 

Mafia may not be able to kill, but they're still against the village nontheless. The only way they can win is by posing as village or hoping the werewolf picks off the rest.

His aligning towards village and leaving off mafia leans him towards scum being that he knows that we need to look for the werewolf and he needs to go under radar as mafia-scum. I'm fairly confident that Mike Chang is scum and why my vote will stay on him... also he called my face weird.

Also, RVS is how things start here. I'm surprised how you guys reacted so violently towards it. I expected a tad more.

I do agree that Finn Hudson and Sebstial Hummel Smythe do seem scummy when paired together with the blatant parroting, but Mike Chang did no good of defending himself that well. 

But in reality, we really do need to hunt the werewolf. Biggest threat to the town right now. I'd much prefer bashing it out verbally without the pressure of being dismembered.. and maybe raep'd.

Mike Chang wrote:Well Also good thing i remebered 

Unvote - vote Blaine

Its not only we, he said they planned to remove the vote, and he wasnt hte one who put the vote first,

Mercedes Jones wrote:
-His claim that his initial post was a reaction test is completely undermined by the fact that he only mentioned it after posting three consecutive times. My not mention it at first? Most reaction tests usually takes up to a FULL DAY, i dont think 3 posts are enough to pull reactions, well it took 3 posts untill they started talking and started making clear mistakes to me. I might be looking like i am making mistakes but you do not know "yet" what is going on, I havent explained it yet. Also i got a read on most of these guys if that matters

You've entirely missed my point. The thing that makes it implausible is the fact that you made three consecutive posts, and didn't decide to mention that it was a reaction test until the 3rd one. Seems to me you're just trying to pass off a mistake as a deliberate and calculated move.

-Says that he has not been supported by any mafia buddies. However, Sebastian backed him up earlier,He said a fact that the 2nd person CLEARLY and without any questioning replied within 7 minites just saying I agree and votes without even trying to explain anything or ever think about them, dont you think someone looks scummy for try to throw any vote and let his allys join in to make an effect? I think so at least and did so without really contributing much to the town.

Though it is believable that Sebastian had no intention of backing up Mike, the fact that Mike now leaps to Sebastian's defence, doing so while more or less quoting points that I (and others) have already raised back at me, is interesting

Blaine Anderson wrote:My case on Mike is overtly simple.

As he seems to be defending himself and attacking his attackers instead of the points, it seems difficult to elicit a genuine breakdown from him.


Let me just give a simple, un-questionable and clear 3 points that can let this scum quiver to the ground. Are we ready?


1. Mike is too obvious. His general inexperience is too obvious. We can easily tell that he is new to Forum Mafia based on three things: >His inability to write fluent English, > His quoting of walls of text, and >He replies to his attackers by writing inside the quotes.

This implicates him because: It explains his failure to defend himself adequately after the RVS votes; additionally it explains his extreme nervousness and panic after getting 4 instant votes for a "joke" reason.


2. Mike is too obvious. He is clearly and definitely ZZZX, on the PO forums. Lynch me if I'm wrong. His lack of use of proper punctuation limits the amount of possible players to a few, namely Metal Sonic, ZZZX, waehofen and Meowmix. By process of elimination, and unless one of these four players decide to change their meta for this tournament, the only possible player for this slot is ZZZX. Furthermore, "analize"

This implicates him because: Firstly, it sets a borderline for my deductive skills, implying that I am an experienced town player capable of finding clues and hunting scum. Secondly, it directly discredits Mike's ability to be able to "hide himself" which I will detail in the next point. Lastly, he is not playing to his town meta.

3. Mike is too obvious. He is leaking out "I am scum!!" so much that only a poorly-trained eye or a scum aligned player would not notice this. As stated in the previous point, it is shown that Mike is unable or fairly weak at hiding or keeping his emotions. It seems that getting a mafia role in this game(5/12 chance, almost 50%) is too exciting for him, most probably because he has never played one before. Furthermore, his inability of hiding his emotions means that he involuntarily leaks extreme scum tells. Of course, this is only a bonus for us so we should take this opportunity for the easiest scum ever. Other more experienced players will be a lot harder to hunt. 

This implicates him because: Scum do not have daytalk, only nighttalk(read the setup). He cannot be coached in the day, only in pre-game which I suspect had nothing much going on anyway, so now Mike is on his own and has no idea how to defend or react to the extreme pressure votes put on him. As a result, this causes his poor performance and his scum-buddies unable to give him much large hints or what to do without revealing themselves. So apparently Mike is one lost scum who is unsure of what to do and we should grab him before he gets coaching in the night.




tl;dr : Mike is obviously new. Mike is obviously ZZZX. Mike is obviously scum.



It's nice of him to post so much in the game; I have never built a case on a player so early in the day before.

Marley Rose wrote:I do agree to the fact that he seems like a flustered newbie, but do we eliminate the possibility that his "bluff" could be be viable and his reaction to the votes poorly illustrated his panic in being voted out immediately with such given role? 

The moment he brought up the possibility that his lynch would cost the town an important role, which I assume he implied to be the seer, Emma Pillsbury quickly buddied up with Mike Chang despite his erratic behavior. 

vote Emma Pillsbury

April Rhodes wrote:1 - Quoting walls of text and responding to quotes inside text = scum? Granted, I dislike it when people respond inside quotes as it is difficult to follow, but the point is that in no way means Mike is scum. Neither does not typing fluid English. Your logic is "because Mike plays in a certain arbitrary way I dislike he is scum based on my arbitrary choice." I had no idea quoting walls of text shows how nervous you are. Can you give me the list that you use to decide what posting techniques = scum or town?

April Rhodes wrote:
2 - RELYING ON META IN AN ANONYMOUS GAME - THERE'S NO WAY THAT COULD BACKFIRE. The very act of trying to determine which person is which alias is off-the-charts scummy. We don't want people to know who a certain individual is. You are basically giving the wolves the ability to namekill by the very act of speculating on aliases. There is no benefit to trying to do determine aliases. So that in itself is quite scummy. Your second point in #2 makes no sense. What does the identity of a person have to do with ability to "hide themselves." What is the ability to "hide themselves" anyways? Meta is a poor argument in any case, made even poorer in an anonymous game.

April Rhodes wrote:Emotion isn't a scumtell. Sorry. Emotions mean absolutely fuck all. Mike could be a nervous mafia or a nervous town who doesn't want to be lynched. It's WIFOM. The basis of your entire argument revolves around "he is emotional." It is an incredibly basic and beginner argument, that, while is not the worst argument, is most certainly not the strongest.

Tunneling day 1 is so silly when we need to cover as many bases as possible. Your inability to talk about anyone else seems to suggest you really want Mike out now. It's town to make an argument for someone as scum. It isn't town to spend the entire day 1 against a single player when we've got no information to work with. You are strangling our attempts to get shit done; please stop, move on, and let's find some other scum, ok?

Emma Pillsbury wrote:from page 4--

Marley Rose wrote:I just read over this again and Mike Chang continues to dig in his hole deeper. 

Mafia may not be able to kill, but they're still against the village nontheless. The only way they can win is by posing as village or hoping the werewolf picks off the rest.

His aligning towards village and leaving off mafia leans him towards scum being that he knows that we need to look for the werewolf and he needs to go under radar as mafia-scum. I'm fairly confident that Mike Chang is scum and why my vote will stay on him... also he called my face weird.

Also, RVS is how things start here. I'm surprised how you guys reacted so violently towards it. I expected a tad more.

I do agree that Finn Hudson and Sebstial Hummel Smythe do seem scummy when paired together with the blatant parroting, but Mike Chang did no good of defending himself that well. 

But in reality, we really do need to hunt the werewolf. Biggest threat to the town right now. I'd much prefer bashing it out verbally without the pressure of being dismembered.. and maybe raep'd.

sorry about quoting sucha big post, but I cannot tell If Marley is showing a scum tell or just tuneling to much, Mike is scum for wanting to hunt WereWOlf and yet Marley is town for not?? make up youre mind